So, no, when I stopped working, I wasn’t supporting us. It might lose its luster at some point, but I’m enjoying it right now. I have asked him to at least talk to his current manager and see if he can get back on track to what he was hired for, or at least a workload that is somewhat doable where he can feel like he is making some head-way. Just be good at your job and go with the flow. Civil is the most secure from what I see. Hey, I’m a senior in HS debating what major to pick. Luckily, my alma mater offered a 5 year BS/MS program. You can pivot and change your career right now without losing much. Eventually, I figured I’d better try something else. I too have been in IT for too long and in various roles (pc tech, telecom tech, telecom manager, IT project manager) and it’s ran it’s course. Many engineers believe this leaves degreed engineers with no status. But I doubt if I will be able to shine in the field of engineering. It was the same for me. The guys in my level who landed the jobs weren’t necessarily the cream the crop academically but tended to be more outgoing socially and thrived in team projects. Very few of my coworkers did as well. Sorry to hear that. Many engineers feel such practices arise because the work they do does not contribute directly to the bottom line. I think I would hate a job like that. I’m really glad this is helpful. , I love engineering, I love what I do. There were few women — I could count the female engineers with one hand — and so you had testosterone fueled egotism in the mix. Employer skill set requirements have become increasingly ridiculous, often commanding mastery of embedded programming and hardware together (with their particular boutique of tools and architectures). Everyone who is thinking about quitting their job should read Financial Samurai’s book: How to engineer your layoff. I see even guys with PE licenses not getting work because they can’t manage. You will now rarely have the “luxury” of focusing on the execution work. What all i want to get a structured growth,peaceful life and less stress. Most skilled blue collar jobs pay equal to or more than most engineering jobs. I have a MSEE and top grades too, but didn’t quite make $100k even though I was the lead SE on a multi-hundred million program. What is your opinion on taking a position now, before completing the degree, and finishing it as my schedule allows? Since you still have a working spouse, and it doesn’t seem like you guys could get by without her income, despite working on other income streams, I don’t see how this can be in any way called retirement. Im 18 and going to uni nxt year. Hopefully, she will retire in 1-2 years. But as the 90’s progressed, and the company grew larger, it became a marketing company, then finally by the turn of the century it became a supply-chain company. My new department head was very demanding and I left shortly after that. Are you looking or will you stay where you are for now? Elon Musk is a physicist, not an engineer making the dirty job.. I passed the obligatory “weed out” aptitude test riddled with obscure engineering trivia and trick questions). (Professional interpreter for an example). I have both worked dream jobs and lived in dream locations, but never at the same time. I’ve always been good at math so engineering was a first round pick but I’ve never been interested with the common fields. You have a safety net – those rentals. When the weekend is up, you do it again. Personal finance is still fascinating to me. The ability to negotiate for a high salary, dissipated since those times. Nonetheless, since it is easier to play the cards I have been dealt with rather than wonder about the life that may have been, I am planning towards pursuing my master’s next year while doing a thesis so I can taste the Research domain (my job right now comes under the R&D vertical but i seriously doubt I am remotely doing any “research”.). Thanks for sharing. Wow, SpaceX sounds like a great place to work. And I can only hope that that can help me witness what I am able to contribute to the technology world. Dead End Careers-- These industries have very low max earning potential, little room for advancement, and stagnant careers earnings. They end up in management positions over time. I consulted with graduate students and professors at school and they gave me similar answers that you gave me. The hourly rate for a senior engineer is only about $150-$175 per hour. I am trying to explore my options after 1.5yrs of not working. Engineering can be a good gig if you adjust and try different fields instead of staying in the same field. My school offers a lot of resources but the one thing they all is an actual person from the field. My 3rd company I was with, the job was outsourced to India and new president made a mass layoff. He works for a small company, though. Haha. Don’t you see a problem with that, or have you been so thoroughly brainwashed into thinking it’s reasonable and intelligent to only earn income when you’re working? And in my field, we’re a technology integrator, so if I want to dive deep into something I can most likely, and if I want to generalize and focus on high level stuff, I can too. Why? Maybe you are on to something with the small firm vs. large company though…. Quality at Boeing, Airbus, Textron, and completion centers is in the toilet. But though better computers let engineers use higher-level languages to design more complex systems, the basic method of computer analysis has not changed much since the 1990s. To add to the misery, I’m an IT worker that has just turned Joe’s target-age, and have been out of work for over 2 years. So hardly did it save a meaningful amount of money compared to the damage to morale. The perfect invention is not something big complex, but finding how to make something work by just a simple idea, a little tweak that nobody thought about, because the do not think out of the box. I remember during my children’s college orientation the Chancellor said that you should be prepared for multiple careers. Seriously, it is very sobering when you realize that you are smarter and harder working than 90+% of the idiots around here driving their $70,000 BMWs, and I probably won’t be able to get even an entry-level engineering salary unless I go back into the hell-hole. And it’s an ~8 hour shift. A majority of engineers can’t be among Wall Street’s Silicon Valley’s darlings. After a couple of years you have gotten better at what you do, and you are asked to “manage” as well as execute. Most skilled blue collar jobs pay equal to or more than most engineering jobs. These STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) careers pay well and the world demands more engineers every day. I think engineering is still a good field to go into. And one can still pursue an undergraduate degree part-time, just in case, a white collar/management track opens up in the construction (or infrastructure) industry, though I imagine it’s probably a better lifestyle just to be in a union, than to spend time in management just to tell others that one’s white collar. My parents now tell me to decide my own future, but they had been telling me what to do with my career path until like 3 months ago when I raged at them for manipulating my life. You should try getting a different job with a different company. and after a fantastic and profitable year, the gave the 5% back and called it your “raise”. However, an engineering career might not be a good fit for everyone. Experienced people out here ,please do suggest some ideas how to get out of this loop. I changed job and it helped for 3-4 years. Why engineers should plan for an early retirement. Maybe start your own business or join a consultant? LOL) because I am not spending enough time with them anymore. I think at that point for some that are inclined so, it can be good to forge your own path and go down the inventor route. Seems like burnout was inevitable. I have been rejected by many companies,as I don’t have the necessary experience to work out in the field. It seems like more and more companies simply want you to wear a dozen hats. That piece of paper can be a significant feather in our caps. Check them out. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I’m a software engineer and only a few years out of college. I don’t know what I’ll be doing in my 40s and 50s but I may well find myself feeling the same way you did! In hindsight, I probably would’ve made a better accountant than computer engineer. I simply do not have any faith in MBA-types to achieve anything, which resembles anything more than a dog-eat-dog cage match with periodic headcount reduction exercises over the corporate spectrum. What changed it for me was when I used my experience and education (Masters in business) and formed my own technical services company. At my first job I realized the happy days of DEC and the 80’s were over. In fact, they’re rather have those kinds of ppl fired (sorry, my bad … make that rightsized) . FORTRAN did teach me basic programming principles. Was it a mistake? Computers fascinated me when I was young. I’m an engineer by education and my 2 degrees, but never more than that. I realized engineering just wasn’t for me, it helps to know that there are people out there that have experienced that in the workplace. Or just try a different career that interest you more. I no longer care for it, actually I hate it and every time I hear any IT slang it makes me cringe. Hope you have a great career. I make $90K plus right now at 40 hrs per week. As a pharmacist I can tell you your work experiences are very relatable. It has completely devalued a once lucrative profession. Nobody worked extra hours unpaid anymore, and some didn’t work the 40 they charged, which is a felony. Both careers go hand in hand and while someone may be better suited for one, but not the other, the baby can’t be thrown out with the bath water. I’m not really sure if I can be an engineer my whole life. Bottom Line: There is not one thing I learned in college that has been superseded. I would like to get some advice or thoughts from different perspective? And they let you know, in subtle ways and not, that you’re just lucky to be there. Defense is probably close to aerospace on this one. my 2 good friends (husband and wife team) still work at an intel portland campus and work their tails off. We are the problem solvers. Any engineers out there that went into teaching or healthcare? Don’t get tied down to your engineering career. MBAs rule the private sector, engineers are merely headcount for them, not assets. Long hours yes, but there was an energy, a life to that place that was amazing. Out of necessity, I’m trying to get back into the corporate scene. Well, it would have worked in the 90s. After about 3 or so years I had already lost interest in everything…I used to read up on the latest computer/tech news and now I honestly just don’t care about engineering or tech or any of it. Like you said it has the potential to be a rewarding career, but it’s definitely not for everyone. All it did was piss off around 10 to 20% (depended on how well the business was doing; etc) who got no raises for a LONG time. One of my friend’s husband is still working in chip design and loves his job. 5. So in fact their turnover is among the very lowest out there among all major companies. Lots of people change career, find a different job, and do other things with their life. Warren County High School seniors Alex Yates, left, and David Romero work on an assembly … I interviewed externally a few times but didn’t find the right fit. Unfortunately for me it just doesn’t seem to be possible to have that kind of job immediately, so I’ll end up drudging through my job until I can get there. These STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) careers pay well and the world demands more engineers every day. So even though I was able to get the technical stuff done, I was penalized because I wasn’t the most extroverted or well connected person during focal. Your perception of engineering career is that of a typical “Employee Engineer” who is just receiving his fat pay cheques, perks and bonuses etc — with such poor perception you might have as well worked for the public sector, an administrative boring job with a government agency – counting your days to your publicly funded government pension plan. ), so hardly did they need to force anyone out via other methods. I’m glad you got out of a field that was no longer a fit for you, thanks for sharing! Working part time is a great way to have the best of both worlds. He shouldn’t bother, as I’ve been out of work for so long now, HR departments won’t hire ANYONE unemployed longer than 6 months anymore. Biomedical seems interesting, but I’d love anyone’s input on where the engineering field is headed these days. It Would Take a Big Event for You to Get Promoted My employer, a small defense contractor that is actually a branch of a holding company is having hard times. I make much less money, but I do get to spend most of my time with the family. I’ve seen some of what you’re talking about though, with the expectations changing as engineers get more senior. I was pretty much thrown in the deep end because my technical experience was non-existent (there is really not much you can learn in the short span of vacation work). That clarion call ended circa 2012. How can I help make it happen? But the engineering degree would be like starting at the top. The thing is, even if you are really good at what you do, you are invariably a lot less marketable as a middle aged guy with highly polished skills than a 30 year old with lesser skills who will be allowed to learn the rest of it on the job. I was a young guy who liked the outdoors and loved to tinker, weld, paint, innovate, and customize things in my garage. Diversity wasn’t really part of the regional landscape nor the local history. If I could have stayed at this level, I probably would still be an engineer. Working for the government might be the ticket for senior engineers. Being a technical leader is not a problem for a number of engineers. I’ve seen companies in this position of having their key engineers retire and then those companies literally burn through leads and managers trying to find one. Long-term rewards often require careful planning and/or sacrifice in another area. Yes, I think it’s a better idea than being a full-time blogger. Have you considered going into programming? However, we didn’t want to move and there are limited employers in our area. I would say that I’m an intermediate-level engineer. I am looking to get out of engineering and I will be another statistic of a female who reached the 5 uear milestone. However, that part of the major involves mostly research experiences(surface engineering), which means a graduate school diploma will be necessary. I would have too. We also received $500 bonuses for simply meeting milestones – doing our jobs….it boosted morale a LOT though. Many of them gripe that corporations focusing on quarterly earnings don't see the big picture. In most jobs as long as you continue to write code you will likely have a limited set of promotions you can get. Job security is definitely getting worse though. Job #5 lasted 2 1/2 years and the site was unceremoniously closed in 2003. I’m a Structural Engineer , have been doing this for 13 years and I have the same feelings but the biggest downside in my opinion is the poor social life. Looking forward to seeing you next week. I was pressured and intimidated into applying, so I did. Do you think you can improve with time? If you get a chance, I want to hear more about your thoughts on this because I think about this scenario so often and am always wondering “What if I became an engineer?” –> Ray (at) howtoclearyouracne (dot) com. Btw. One quote I love is: be the leading actor of your own life. That’s not enough when, My area of expertise (DRAM) moved to a different site, and we did not want to relocate just for this. Now that he’s going to school full time, I can spend more time on Retire by 40. If I were you, I would try to get an engineering job with your undergrad degree. There are a lot more opportunities there if you want a job. I spent a ton of time with our son when he was young. . It was good when I was young, but it’s not a good fit when I got older. Do you enjoy it (considerably more)? Because when you hit my age, if you haven’t saved your money, it can get bad really quick. Unfortunately, I couldn’t do it. Are you creative at home? Though I know we were not ready for it, we needed to make a decision. Being good technically was no longer enough. That being the case, I myself am looking for another field of work to branch out. Afterwards, I moved to a software development company. I work for a pretty good company, the work is enjoyable, and my boss is awesome. Thirty years of being retired is a long time and I find that reentering the work force occasionally challenges me so that I keep my mental facilities sharp and fit. I also failed first-year university English. Were you the one supporting the family mainly for 15 years? You won’t regret giving it a shot. I even came across some books left over by a retired engineer on analog circuits. You really should think about doing what you want. You will have invested so much time in it that it will be extremely difficult to change course. 13 Dead-End Careers To Avoid In Today's Economy Thinking about changing careers or looking to start a new one? I probably should have left 5 years earlier to join a small company. And I truly enjoy work which is mentally rewarding and not stressful where you connect with people at human level, which I think this field that I am, in is only getting harder and more stressful. I used to get headaches too for the first time in my life as a manager and it took me 2 years to figure out how to reorganize my brain around these new HR tasks. But, if you have the skill of convincing people, why not just be a sales person? what do you think? You just need to work a lot at the beginning. What’s fun in our 20s, sometime is unbearable when we’re older. I’m hoping to work and save for 10 years as an engineer (until I’m 35), and then from there I’m not sure. Life is way better for me. Oh well, life goes on. Later I found out they wanted to make me work for it. The first 7-8 years at Intel was great for me. hi, I’m a freshman studying computer engineering. A dead-end job is a job where there is little or no chance of career development and advancement into a higher paid position. Anyway, your four years in college will be a lot more fun in Geology than in engineering, that I can 100% guarantee. I already am a qualified Java SE6 professional programmer by Oracle,so PHP is not that hard for me(at the moment),and study to obtain the mysql5 associate certification. Working as an developer for an ERP company, new boss arrived about 1-2 year aago from an bigger three letter ERP company. Interesting post! I think you’ve invested too many years in education and professional experience to simply quit the workforce. It’s a terrible career field. What other things do you do now as a home-stay father? He had my manager at that point… My friend was transferring to a different group/program, and he’d also have a new manger. 2. You have the ultimate goal. Being a senior engineer most of all the work load falls on my shoulders. They don’t care about you. and that’s back in the mid 90’s when there was a shortage of engineers, much unlike today. Then they offered the job to me with no pay increase, with double the work. After two years I quit. People have left engineering all together (one opened a package store), retired early or have given up looking. I started at DEC (anyone remember them?) I met some of the smartest people in my life while working there, and to this day I love all (or at the least most) of the engineers there. I considered teaching on some level but decided I was more into healthcare. I worked on the memory (DRAM) interface and learned a ton about how the computer chips were made. I may rejoin the workforce someday, but I’m 100% sure I will never go back to engineering. Life is too precious.I cannot afford to waste it in doing lifeless job. My wife makes a decent income to support this decision, and we are about to start a family so not bringing home this stress will be a big positive. My brother is a mechanic engineer at SpaceX and definitely puts in a ton of hours. Huge layoffs and big-business outsourcing to cheaper, foreign labor markets does nothing to boost morale. I’ve not known anyone who feels trapped by sabbatical. You will need much more than 200k. Wish me luck, and I wish the best of luck to all of you. They encouraged behavior which wasn’t constructive for effective team work or developing strong leaders. That’s lifestyle inflation for ya. Bad investments and 2008 really killed that plan! Learn more. At this company I was an embedded engineer working in power systems. Been emphasizing my publications and the few patents I have, yet no dice. You are right. Work as an engineer for a few years and see if it’s bearable. Probably within the next decade I will “retire” from my line of work and take on a new career, though I’d like to eventually get to the point where I can really retire and fully replace my income with my investments…preferably before “normal” retirement age. When I look at job postings for ECE they just all look boring. Almost all end up in managerial positions. Also, my wife still works. I have had something like 7 careers. Good problem solving skills was what drove me to engineering but I knew even during my Uni days that to really make it as an engineer is more about the soft skills. Now that I have three kids, I struggle with 40 hours! I grew up building circuits, repairing television sets (many with tubes), and dealing with high voltage. A real moron, who’s only goal was to work there for a year so he could collect his $200,000 retainer. When people ask me what my job entails, I have a hard time synthesizing what I do on a daily basis into a cohesive answer. Here are the signs you are stuck in a dead-end job and you have to walk away before you finally lose yourself. I would think the business would initially ask your husband if he’d be interested in the managerial role. This is truly income for dummies. Engineers left because they wanted to be engineers, not managers. Stay out of aerospace. 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